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On July 2, 2020 patrol officers attempted to contact a suspect about moving an illegally parked automobile at the Three Rivers Mobile Home Park in Hastings, MN. As officers spoke to the suspect’s wife and two of his four children the suspect locked and barricaded the door to his trailer with his other two children inside. Over the course of the next 15 hours, in sweltering heat, the South Metro SWAT Team, in conjunction with Washington County SWAT, and Ramsey County SWAT, attempted to negotiate a peaceful resolution to the crisis as the suspects mental state deteriorated. Although they were able to obtain one of the two children, it started to become clear that a tactical intervention would be necessary. My guests today are Adam Tschida, Daniel Salmey, and Jeff Hanson from South Metro SWAT to discuss the case, their successful HRT intervention, and the lessons learned from a very challenging rescue.

About South Metro SWAT

South Metro SWAT provides tactical coverage for thirteen different law enforcement agencies in Minnesota. The team’s service area spans roughly 1000 square miles south of the Twin Cities and is home to approximately 380,000 residents. The team has roughly 50 members. 35 tactical members including: commander, assistant commander, team leaders, snipers, breachers, medics, K9, etc. 15 crisis negotiations team members included: assistant commander, team leader, sworn LE, licensed mental health personnel. Core competencies include: hostage rescue, high risk warrant service, barricaded suspect/subject operations, dignitary protection, public order operations, man tracking operations, vehicle suppression, and community event security/quick reaction force.

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Contact Info

Adam Tschida – Adam.tschida@applevalleymn.gov

Daniel Salmey – dsalmey@southstpaul.org

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My Guest today is a true legend who is one of only three people to have served at all of the roles in LAPD D-Platoon Chief Mike Albanese. Mike has spent 52 years in law enforcement with 37 of those spent at LAPD, 26 of which was spent in SWAT and Crisis Negotiation. Mike is one of only a handful of people to have ever served in the 10 David or SWAT commander role at LAPD. Since retiring from LAPD he has served as a Captain, Deputy Chief and is currently the Chief of Police for the Burbank California Police Department. This is two-part series where we walk through not only his amazing career at LAPD, but the evolution and history of special tactics, the creation of Crisis Negotiation as a discipline, and the lessons learned from a lifetime of service.

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My Guest today is a true legend who is one of only three people to have served at all of the roles in LAPD D-Platoon Chief Mike Albanese. Mike has spent 52 years in law enforcement with 37 of those spent at LAPD, 26 of which was spent in SWAT and Crisis Negotiation. Mike is one of only a handful of people to have ever served in the 10 David or SWAT commander role at LAPD. Since retiring from LAPD he has served as a Captain, Deputy Chief and is currently the Chief of Police for the Burbank California Police Department. This is two-part series where we walk through not only his amazing career at LAPD, but the evolution and history of special tactics, the creation of Crisis Negotiation as a discipline, and the lessons learned from a lifetime of service.

Books Recommended

The Situational Leader – Paul Hersey – ISBN: 0931619017

If You Give a Mouse a Cookie – Laura Numeroff, Felicia Bond – ISBN: 9780064434096

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My guest today is Dr. Kevin Menes. Kevin is an emergency room physician and tactical team doctor who
led a team that managed to treat and save hundreds of patients following the active sniper attack in Las
Vegas on October 1, 2017. Kevin’s insights into the Las Vegas attack are unique and offer us clear
lessons learned in preparing for mass casualty. Too often active shooter preparation ends at the tactical
level and fails to consider the effect on all involved agencies. This discussion with Kevin clearly shows
that saving lives after a mass killing event is dependent upon the preparation and training for all of the
responding organizations.

Contact Info

Email: iamkevinmenes@gmail.com


Instagram: @menes.resuscitation


Facebook: menes.resuscitation


LinkedIn: Kevin Menes


MD Twitter: @kvnmns

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My guest today is Tom Satterly. Tom is a highly decorated combat veteran, having served in the Army 25 years, with the last 20 in the US Army’s most elite Tier One unit, Delta. During his career Tom was involved in, and led, some of our nation’s most important military campaigns including the Battle in Mogadishu portrayed in the film Blackhawk Down and the capture of Saddam Hussein. Tom is the recipient of numerous medals including a Silver Star, and 4 Bronze Stars, with 1 for Valorous acts. He was also the first American to ever attend Germany’s Ranger School. Tom retired from Delta in 2010 as a Command Sergeant Major. Tom’s willingness to speak openly and honestly of his mental and emotional struggles have saved the lives of countless others warriors who believed they had to suffer in silence and make it alone or not at all. Today, Tom and his wife and partner, Jen are the co-Founders and co-CEOs of All Secure Foundation, a non-profit organization serving Special Operation warriors and their families to help reconnect and heal. Tom’s best-selling book, “All Secure: A Special Operations Soldier’s Fight to Survive on the Battlefield and the Homefront”, was released on November 5, 2019 and is available at all major booksellers.

Contact Info

Instagram: @TomSatterly

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The Body Keeps the Score: Mind, Brain and Body in the Transformation of Trauma by Bessel van der Kolk – ISBN-13:‎ 978-0670785933 All Secure: A Special Operations Soldier’s Fight to Survive on the Battlefield and the Homefront by Tom Satterly and Steve Jackson – ISBN-13: ‎ 978-1546076575

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Description My guest today is Chief John Perez. John recently retired as the Chief of Police for the Pasadena California Police Department. In his nearly 37 years of service to Pasadena, John served at literally all ranks in the department. During his career John worked patrol, narcotics, counter terrorism, and as a swat sergeant, lieutenant, and commander, John helped to form the first generation of Pasadena’s tactical team which had the challenge of deploying as a full-time gang enforcement team and a SWAT team for many years. John was twice awarded the Chief’s medal of excellence and received several commendations for his service over the years.

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My guest today is a legend in the US tactical community Chief Phil Hansen. Phil recently retired after serving as the Chief of Police for the Santa Maria California Police Department. But prior to Santa Maria Phil retired as a Captain from the Los Angeles Country Sherriff’s Department where he served for 36 years. During his tenure at LASD he spent more than 24 years in full time tactical and emergency management positions, including nearly 20 years at the elite Special Enforcement Bureau (SEB). Phil has served as a board member of the National Tactical Officers Association since 1991 including serving as the Chairman of the Board. He is a member of the executive committee for the California POST SWAT guidelines, and has served as a board of inquiry member for LAPD and Oakland PD.

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My guest today is Jordan MacWilliams. Jordan is a 15 year member of the RCMP Lower Mainland Division
Integrated Emergency Response Team, the second largest tactical unit in Canada. On November 7, 2012
Jordan fired a single shot which killed a hostage taker who pointed a gun at the team after a five-hour standoff
at the Starlight Casino in New Westminster, British Columbia. Although it was a completely justifiable
shooting, this incident began an almost three-year nightmare for Jordan and his family which included Jordan
being charged with Murder by the newly created Independent Investigations Office, a civilian oversight board
created just before Jordan’s shooting. This was the first time a police officer had been charged for using lethal
force in British Columbia since 1975. Although the charges would later be dismissed, the damage to Jordan
and his family had already been done. Jordans story is both a cautionary tale and a story of struggle,
persistence, and eventual victory over a politically motivated witch hunt. This is a fantastic conversation that
should leave all of us repeating Jordan’s Mantra for the event: Be Better, Not Bitter!

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My guest today is Gareth Lock. Gareth spent 25 years in the Royal Air Force as a flight instructor, a navigator on C-130
Hercules, a systems engineer and a requirements manager. Following his retirement from the RAF in 2015 he started
work in high-risk industries teaching Human Factors and Crew Resource Management (CRM). Eventually Gareth turned
his attention to diving, applying a military systems approach to diving risk management by creating an organization
called The Human Diver which is focused on what they describe as Counter-Errorism. Specifically, Gareth and his team
provides training globally to high reliability and high-risk organizations on leadership, culture, and practical measures to
improve operator safety. In 2019 Gareth led a team of military experts to undertake a review of UK military diving with
the goal of improving diver safety. Gareth has worked with the US National Parks Service Submerged Resource Centre
(Denver, CO), National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research Ltd (NZ), and the American Academy of Underwater
Sciences (USA) to provide human factors training and high-performance team development courses.
Gareth is the author of the book Under Pressure – Diving Deeper with Human Factors which looks at case studies of near
disasters and applies academic theory to understanding how we can better communicate and lead those in high
risk/high reliability units.
I am excited to have Gareth on because his views of human fallibility, although rooted in diving, have broad lessons to
teach anyone who leads others, especially those working in high-risk areas.

Kevin Cyr is an Inspector with Royal Canadian Mounted Police and is the current commander of the RCMP Emergency
Response Team in British Columbia, which is the second largest tactical unit in Canada. Kevin has been with RCMP for 22
years and has been with the team for 7 years. He has a master’s in law from Osgoode Hall Law School and is published
internationally in law and criminology.